people knew that's exactly what president obama knew. they knew mitt romney didn't want to do it, and they voted for president obama. >> david, let me ask you about grover norquist. obviously, the man who authored the pledge that so many reasons have signed. mike lee from utah was the latest on the show to say, back off the pledge. grover spoke to soledad this morning on cnn, if you break my pledge, you're going to have to deal with voters. here was his comment. >> if youen watt to go to your voters and say, i promised you this, and i'm breaking my promise. you can have that conversation with them, but you're not having that argument with me. you made a commitment to your voters. >> he says he's going to try to unseat people who go against the pledge. is this a real risk that saxby chambliss or lindsey graham could end up losing their jobs over 24? >> it is a real risk. understand what direction these people are leading the party in. they conceive the republican party is fundamentally a congressional force, oppositional force. the whole